Section 9 - The Book of Installing Glue In's
"If the hole isn't clean, it can be really risky!"
If you have the right bolt and the right glue and the right stoke, you can still screw (or glue, get it?), this up and kill someone. You don’t have to be a nuclear physicist to install a glue in bolt, but you DO have to do the simple instructions or you can kill someone. Lets emphasize the killing someone real quick. This isn’t about long term vs short term anchors here. We are talking about them coming out, AKA killing someone if they don’t get put in correctly.
Another way to fail, that has less consequence, is by failing to actually install the bolts you set out to do. You spent weeks reading the Bolting Bible, spent a bunch of money, used a good weather weekend, and you get there and find out the plunger is too big on your dispenser to push out the glue. Or that cheap caulk guns are too weak to push cold glue out. You could run out of battery before you finish drilling, or find out you left the extension tips to your mixing tips at home... so now you can’t put the glue in the back of the hole, after you cut open your tube! Nope, none of these have ever happened to me… nope… not me! Taking preparation and installation seriously can make you a bad-ass, otherwise you might just be a dumb-ass!
Chapter 1 - TOOL LIST
Bolts, duh! The softer the rock, the longer you want your bolt.
Glue cartridge + Dispenser ...OR... Capsules
Spare mixing tips and extension tips
NOTE: 10oz fills around 10 holes roughly but if you have to change out mixing tips often, you lose quite a bit each time you change one.
Drill, and correct size bit, plus spare bits
Pipe cleaner and blow pump (for really clean holes!)
Rubber gloves and paper towels! It can get messy.
Tape for a perimeter around notch so it doesn’t ooze everywhere AND you can tape mid way up your drill bit so you know how far to drill
Cotton swabs for detailing in case it oozes out a lot
Bag for garbage
Bag for testing mixture (see “Filling Hole” below)
Hammer (For Titan and Wave)
Wave installation tool (for wave only)
Heart full of stoke and a car full of friends!
Chapter 2 - TRAINING and PREPARATION
Please please don’t let your first glue in bolt be anywhere important. Do several in your backyard or your parents backyard or the backyard of someone you don’t like when they are out of town (kidding! Just kidding! Jeez). If you think that would be an eyesore, now you know how all the rock huggers feel that complain about over-bolting. You can read this Glue In Section 100x, but you will always have kinks to work out. So work those kinks at home. Practice also helps you verify you have the right drill type, bit type, bit size, glue accessories, amount of glue, cleaning tools AND TECHNIQUE. Or... you can just wing it and go learn in a popular area, but just make sure you put your name on it since we will all see your learning curve. We want to know who to troll!
Can you answer the following questions about what is in your bolt kit bag?
What are the min and max cure temperatures?
What temperature will it be at the highline when I install these?
What is the nozzle time? (how long can it sit in nozzle before you have to put a new one on)
Do I have spare nozzles
Do I have spare extension tips to get the glue in the back of the hole?
What is the working time so I don’t ruin the bond before it is cured?
Will this glue run out of a hole if I put it in horizontal or in an overhanging rock?
What is the cure time for low, medium and high temps?
When do I plan on highlining on these bolts?
Did I charge my batteries for my drill? Do I have spare batteries?
How deep do I need to drill, and will I need a notch?
Do I have a way to keep things clean and tidy?
How many holes can I fill up with one tube?
Do I have the right bolt for my capsule (angled end for screw install and blunt end for hammer install!)
How am I going to put warnings on my bolt if it requires several hours to cure so no one uses them after I leave?
Does the fluid move in my capsules?
How long has my glue cartridge sat on my shelf?
Do I have the proper pipe cleaner and blower to get a really clean hole?
Chapter 3 - DRILL HOLE
For Fixe, Petzl or threaded rod, you want your hole bigger than the bolt, ⅛” larger diameter is fine. However, for Wave and Titan, they require specific sizes as the wave bolt acts like a piton and the Titan bolt gets tight at the top so it doesn’t fall out. If these holes were drilled too big, it wouldn’t be the end of the world, you just lose a nice feature that they have but they also go in a lot easier and get more glue encapsulating them. Though Wave bolt doesn’t promote this, it is important that all glue ins be notched, especially for highlining, so it minimizes the risk of twisting the bolt, which would break the bond. This also increases the strength of the eye.
To make a notch for a bolt, just drill a inch or so away from hole and drill just a ½” deep. Then tilt drill bit 45 degrees towards hole until it reaches it, creating a trough for the eye to sit in. CAUTION: If notch is too deep, you lose a lot of space in your eye, limiting what can be clipped to it. And if it is excessively deep, it could force the rope to sit on the rock creating abrasion. Your goal is just to prevent twisting. PLEASE: Make sure the direction the bolt is facing is the direction of the force. It is pretty easy to guess in climbing situations… straight down! But if you are building a 3 point anchor 2 feet from a cliff edge, what angle will that furthest bolt be???
If there is any chance this bolt will need to be pulled in more than one direction, ie: multiple highline variations or spacenets, then use a “P” shape bolt and drill the notch so the bolt will be installed BACKWARDS so the anchor rope will be pulling on the spine. This allows it to be pulled in 170 degree without the risk of twisting the bolt and compromising the glue. It is unlikely a notched glue in bolt will twist break glue but you don’t want to use these in a way they weren’t intended. Pulling sideways on the front of the “P” is not how they are intended.
Contrary to what you would think, don’t drill an angled hole away from the projected force. That lever action doesn’t make the bolt stronger but puts all the force on the rock at the top. Just like ice screws, you want the force to be on the entire shaft and not just at some fulcrum. Bolt-Products (scroll halfway down) did tests with stakes in the ground to verify this theory. Check it out as it was very interesting.
If you are using capsules, then depth AND diameter are very important to get right since you can’t just add glue if you don’t have enough and no one wants to clip a glue in bolt when they can’t see the damn glue! This is a great reason to test it at home, and if you don’t want a bolt in your backyard, pull it out before it cures. But this way, you know you got the right system at the cost of only 1 or 2 capsules. (A trick to get your depth perfect is to put several layers of duct tape mid way up on the drill bit where you want it to stop.)
Chapter 4 - CLEAN HOLE
This is the number one fear when an experienced bolter hears a new bolter is stoked to go install glue ins. If the holes aren’t cleaned really really well, someone could very likely die. Really clean it! That requires a pipe cleaner AND a blow tool. A blow tube and your lungs aren’t enough, and please don’t try convincing us that you are really good at blowing! Get a dust blower like this pump, or Powers or Hilti. And a wire brush tube/pipe cleaner which you can buy anywhere. Regardless of how rough or porous the rock is, drilling a hole polishes the sides of the hole, so in order to get the glue to bond with the rock (which in case you don’t know, that is important, and if you don’t know that, please don’t put any of these in), the rock can’t have any dust film on the sides. Do a fun experiment at home, put super fine dust on your granite countertops at home, then try blowing them clean… blow hard… even with an air compressor you can’t get it truly clean. Same with the brush, you can’t JUST use the brush. Blow then brush, again and again and again until it is super clean. Always start with the blow.
Chapter 5 - TEST AND CHECK
Dry fit the bolts, if possible, to make sure it will work. If you are putting a wave bolt into a ½” hole then you can’t do this but you can verify with a stick or the tube cleaner that the depth is perfect (too deep is better than too shallow). The biggest crux is to make sure your notch isn’t too deep or restricting the bolt from being the angle you want. Get all your stuff laid out and ready, cus when you start gluing, the working time clock is ticking. Know your working time, because if you are using Powers AC100+, and it is hot out, AND you have to walk around to each anchor, or even spend more than 30 seconds hammering in a wave bolt… you will need a lot of mixing nozzles and therefore won’t be able to fill as many holes as you think with each tube of glue.
Chapter 6 - INSERT GLUE
CARTRIDGE: If you’re 100% ready to start, cut your glue cartridge open, squeeze just a bit without the nozzle to see that both colors are coming out, then install the mixing nozzle. But… before you start shoving your tip inside of holes, make sure what’s “coming” out is safe! You can’t just put the first squeeze into the hole. This is one the main reasons you will want paper towels. Squeeze a COUPLE times to make sure it is mixed properly, which you can generally tell by the color. THEN grab a ziplock bag and squeeze a quarter size amount into the corner. Only after all that… start putting it in the hole. This ziplock bag is so you can check later to make sure your first squeeze of glue hardened. VERY IMPORTANT… Start in back of the hole and work your way out. Don’t fill it up to the very top because the bolt will push it out. Somewhere around ¾ full is good. When you are done, squeeze some into the other corner of the bag and take it home as a souvenir… also to check your first and last squeeze to make sure both get rock hard. If they don’t, it didn’t mix right!
HAMMER CAPSULES: Spin the capsule around a couple times to make sure all the resin is in liquid form because it if isn’t it won’t mix correctly. You are literally shoving harder around it so it has to be liquid. Insert with the hardener facing up. If you think of it like a cigarette, then what looks like the filter, is closest to the top of the hole. That is the hardener and if it isn’t at the top you aren’t going to be mixing anything. The capsules are glass and you are smashing a bolt through it, so wear safety goggles. Your bolt has to have a flat/blunt end. A tapered end won’t push the hardener down into the resin. Make sure you have the right size capsule because if it is a ½” capsule in a ⅝” hole, then it will be leaning to one side not mixing things evenly, and you probably won’t have enough glue to fill up your hole!
SPIN INSTALL CAPSULES: Spin the capsule around a couple times to make sure all the resin is in liquid form because it if isn’t, it won’t mix correctly. These spin installs have a glass container inside of another glass container. One has resin (the amber liquid) and the other has hardener. There are sand chunks in these so it scores sides of the hole and helps mix the glue. These capsules (at least from Petzl) require that they stick out of the hole by 10mm so you can break the glass with the hammer, then insert the bolt. These bolts must be angled on the bottom in order to mix these correctly, hence the name. Spinning is what mixes these. Now in construction, the spinning requires mechanical spinning, and unless you are going to get special adapters for your drill, this means you are manually turning the bolts. This is Petzl’s system, but I don’t believe that is how they should be used. They say to spin the bolt 10x. That doesn’t mean 10 turns with your hand, that means 10 full rotations which is more like 20 times with your hand. If you use this system, spin them like your life depends on them. This system obviously doesn’t work for wave bolts because they can’t be spun as they fit tightly in the hole.
Chapter 7 - INSERT BOLTS
If using threaded rod, squirt a bead of glue along the threads before putting it in. For the bolts that don’t require hammers to install, like Bolt-Products, Petzl and Fixe, you will want to slowly push them in and TWIST them while you do it. Fixe bolts have a weld, and you want that weld facing away from force, even if it is buried under the glue. You don’t want air pockets around notches or threads. If you hear air bubbles gurgling as you push in bolt then you don’t have glue in the back of your hole!!! No bolt queefing! Pull out bolt and make sure it is super full of glue.
If you are using wave bolts or Titans, then you need a hammer, but you don’t want to hit a stainless steel or titanium bolt with a non stainless or non titanium hammer. Since that would be one expensive, fancy hammer, you can use the wave installation tool so it puts the force on the right parts of the bolt, or use a rubber mallet, or just put a rag between the two metals. The point is, your hammer will transfer iron onto your fancy expensive bolts and those iron particles will start rusting and compromise the integrity of your bolt. This is the same reason you don’t want to grind threaded rod to the length you want if the cut end is exposed to the elements. Keep in mind, the Wave bolt twist as you put it, in requiring you to hit it sideways to orientate in correctly, not sure if that is good for the bolt or the glue (the tight fit pushes so much glue out already, the last thing I want to do is twist bolt and move the little that is there). One option is to drill the hole bigger for the Wave Bolt, you will lose the tight fit, but you don’t need that unless you installing it in an overhang and more glue is better.
Chapter 8 - FINISHING TOUCHES
If you put a perimeter of tape around notched hole first, then you can just pull the tape up and it will be a nice rectangle of glue, otherwise you risk it getting everywhere. Cotton swabs are convenient for cosmetically making the glue look nice. Be sure to clean off the glue that got all over the eye of the bolt if it squished up too high. Have a lot of them swabs handy. Saving some of your rock dust may help because you can possibly hide the glue color by sprinkling the dust on top. No, a little dust ON TOP of your glue won’t kill anyone and will make it look nicer. All this cleaning is a lot easier with rubber gloves. If it is an epoxy that takes many hours or days to dry, label it with a date preferably so people don’t use it before it has safely cured.
Chapter 9 - Troubleshooting
Why doesn’t my glue come out the right color???
Well, that’s probably because both parts aren’t coming out! Single cartridges may not be evenly dispensing like the image below, or one of your dual cartridges have ruptured like the image with the messy Hilti gun. Get a new cartridge and start over.
Ah shucks, I drilled the notch too deep and now the eye is recessed too much, how do I fix it???
Just put a piece of gravel, small pebble or something non dusty in the bottom of the hole or in the notch, if it will stay, to prop up the bolt until it cures into the position it will be forever.
CHAPTER 10 - BAD HOW TO VIDEOS
Why would you show us bad videos??? Because there were no good ones!!! So let's learn from other people’s mistakes. To be fair some videos are not that bad, but no one video was perfect! So let’s pick apart each example.
This video is actually pretty good. They properly install a spin type capsule. If I am going to overly picky, he doesn’t blow his hole out after brushing it and he left too much glue sticking out, so his plate didn’t sit flush. What is interesting about this video is that it shows that this is how spin capsules are supposed to be installed, whereas climbers don’t do this.
This video is another good one, but he doesn’t wear safety goggles. And I’m not just getting on a high horse here, it has hit me in the eye before! And it blows dust into his face. I like the fact he uses a proper blow tool. He doesn’t bury the eye which is one of the few instructions Fixe does require! I like that he mentions the hammer leaves iron deposits, so he uses a rubber mallet. I don’t like the fact this is only manually spun to mix the glue, and I’m not excited he keeps pulling it in and out. Is that glue surrounding the shaft entirely or is he getting air pockets doing that?
This video here is a really bad example. He vacuums out the holes which does almost nothing and doesn’t brush them… wow. I also don’t think that he spins it enough.
This video is the same as number 3, but uses a cartridge instead of capsule. He vacuums his hole again, which is a shame, and he should put a little glue on the threaded rod before inserting it into hole. You don’t want any air pockets around your threads.
This video is pretty good but doesn’t use a wire pipe brush and just hoses out the hole. He also makes a mess which is ok for what he is doing, but not if he did it on rock.
This video here is the winner! HOW NOT TO BOLT!!! By Hilti themselves! Installs glue in a dirty hole. He seriously pushes the dust out as he fills the hole with glue!!!
This video is by the Access Fund people themselves. You can tell that Petzl put some money into this. He talks the talk, but doesn’t do anything he says. People very rarely listen to a video, they watch it, so I consider this a bad example. He talks about a clean hole, but only cleans it one time. It should be 3x or 4x. He talks about pumping the first squeezes out to make sure the color looks right so the mix is right, but doesn’t do it. He talks about not hitting it directly with a hammer, then does it at the end to twist it into position. He also doesn’t notch it to bury the eye, so twisting it could loosen the bond over time.
A GOOD EXAMPLE… OK I lied, there was one video by Powers that gets a pat on the back. They clean the shit out of the hole and they pre-squeeze a lot of glue out before putting it in the hole. Look at how much dust comes out on their second phase of blowing it out! And look at the color change as they squeeze out the initial glue. Great example!
Another Good Example… Climbtech put out a good video in a real life climbing situation. They had fancy tools for hanging situations. They were able to reuse the hole from a bolt they removed, and the wave bolt fit in nicely. It wasn’t super tight, but tight enough to hold. They didn’t notch the eye, but it isn’t necessary in this application as the bolt will only be pulled straight down during a fall.
Another good example - teamBMC youtube channel had a good video on how to check glue in bolts.